Biden orders ban on certain US tech investments in China

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President Joe Biden on Wednesday signed an executive order that will prohibit some new U.S. investment in China in sensitive technologies like computer chips and require government notification in other tech sectors.

The long-awaited order authorizes the U.S. Treasury secretary to prohibit or restrict U.S. investments in Chinese entities in three sectors: semiconductors and microelectronics, quantum information technologies and certain artificial intelligence systems.

The administration said the restrictions would apply to "narrow subsets" of the three areas but did not give specifics. The proposal is open for public input.

The order is aimed at preventing American capital and expertise from helping China develop technologies that could support its military modernization and undermine U.S. national security. The measure targets private equity, venture capital, joint ventures and greenfield investments.

Biden, a Democrat, said in a letter to Congress he was declaring a national emergency to deal with the threat of advancement by countries like China "in sensitive technologies and products critical to the military, intelligence, surveillance or cyber-enabled capabilities."

China said on Thursday it is "gravely concerned" about the order and that it reserves the right to take measures.

The order affects normal operation and decision-making of enterprises, and undermines the international economic and trade order, a statement from the Chinese Commerce Ministry read.

The minisry also said it hopes the U.S. will respect laws of the market economy and the principle of fair competition, and refrain from "artificially hindering global economic and trade exchanges and cooperation, or set up obstacles for the recovery of the world economy".

SEMICONDUCTORS A PRIORITY​

The proposal focuses on investments in Chinese companies developing software to design computer chips and tools to manufacture them. The U.S., Japan and the Netherlands dominate those fields, and the Chinese government has been working to build homegrown alternatives.

The White House said Biden consulted allies on the plan and incorporated feedback from Group of Seven nations.

"For too long, American money has helped fuel the Chinese military’s rise," said Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer. "Today the United States is taking a strategic first step to ensure American investment does not go to fund Chinese military advancement."

The regulations will only affect future investments, not existing ones, Treasury said, but it may ask for disclosure of prior transactions.

The move could fuel tensions between the world's two largest economies. The Chinese embassy in Washington said it was "very disappointed" by the measure.

U.S. officials insisted the prohibitions were intended to address "the most acute" national security risks and not to separate the two countries' highly interdependent economies.

Republicans said the order was rife with loopholes, such as only applying to future investment, and was not aggressive enough.

SOME EXEMPTIONS EXPECTED​

The order will prohibit some deals and require investors to notify the government of their plans on others.

The Treasury said it anticipates exempting "certain transactions, including potentially those in publicly traded instruments and intracompany transfers from U.S. parents to subsidiaries."

The Chinese tech industry, once a magnet for U.S. venture capital, has already seen a drastic decline in U.S. investment amid intensifying geopolitical tension.

Last year, total U.S.-based venture-capital investment in China plummeted to $9.7 billion from $32.9 billion in 2021, according to PitchBook data. This year so far, U.S. V.C. investors only put $1.2 billion into Chinese tech startups.

The measure is expected to be implemented next year, a person briefed on the order said, after multiple rounds of public comment, including an initial 45-day comment period.

REPUBLICAN SEES MANY LOOPHOLES​

Republican Senator Marco Rubio said the Biden administration' plan was "almost laughable."

"It is riddled with loopholes, explicitly ignores the dual-use nature of important technologies, and fails to include industries China’s government deems critical," he said.

A spokesman for the Chinese embassy in Washington said the White House had not heeded "China’s repeated expression of deep concerns" about the plan.

The spokesman said more than 70,000 U.S. companies do business in China. The restrictions will hurt both Chinese and American businesses, interfere with normal cooperation and reduce investor confidence in the U.S., he said.

The Semiconductor Industry Association said it hopes the order will enable "U.S. chip firms to compete on a level-playing field and access key global markets, including China."

Emily Benson of the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a bipartisan policy research organization, said key questions are how the plan affects U.S. allies and how China responds.
 
So, it's okay for the US to get their oil from other countries but they want to tell you which companies you can or can't invest in?
 
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What's the connection between those two points?
The US should be self-reliant when it comes to energy so we can lower prices on it at home. This also doesn't explain why a Chinese-owned factory in my state was made to create car batteries. "Why was Hunter Biden's money still in China and Ukraine?" is the real question.
 
I feel investing more money in the US may help with climate change if more tech products are designed and manufactured in America instead of China. Shipping tech products from China to the US to sell can use up a lot of gas instead of making the same products locally.
 
The US should be self-reliant when it comes to energy so we can lower prices on it at home. This also doesn't explain why a Chinese-owned factory in my state was made to create car batteries. "Why was Hunter Biden's money still in China and Ukraine?" is the real question.

You are self reliant already. If you want oil companies to stop selling in the global markets and only serve you then you want some form of state owned oil company. So socalism?
Also trump owed hundreds of millions to Chinese state banks.
 
So, it's okay for the US to get their oil from other countries but they want to tell you which companies you can or can't invest in?
Most of those countries are on much friendlier terms than China.

Also, people bitch about the price of gas already, so you want more expensive gas? The imported oil is cheaper than the home extracted oil.
 
My point was, why is it okay for the US to go outside the country for oil but they can tell us not to invest in something that's outside the country?

One is about securing your own energy security and the other is about future security.

Anyway I think people got distracted and are missing the point, it's about the fact that biden is going nuclear on "stop chinese technology advancement in this one sector where we are still ahead". It's the kind of restrictions you'd put on countries you're expecting to go to war with. It's the antithesis of the neoliberal world order the US and it's institutions pushed on every country after WW2 and now they're going back on it because China's rise has them spooked.
 
USA should be doing more of its own stuff, with our large country and those who like to work, we could be a lot greater.
I wish we would help Americans first & do more of our own stuff as well. Helping others is great but I have many friends & family who are struggling while illegals get a free pass.
We do our best to buy truly American Made products. Problem with that is it can say Made in USA but it means ASSEMBLED. The products were made in another country.
 
I wish we would help Americans first & do more of our own stuff as well. Helping others is great but I have many friends & family who are struggling while illegals get a free pass.
We do our best to buy truly American Made products. Problem with that is it can say Made in USA but it means ASSEMBLED. The products were made in another country.
There’s very little things made entirely in one country anymore.
 
There’s very little things made entirely in one country anymore.
Very true! But a lot of the stuff made overseas is poor quality & the workers don't get fair wages. Either we find it/ make it here or maybe rethink if we can do without some of the stuff.
 
Very true! But a lot of the stuff made overseas is poor quality & the workers don't get fair wages. Either we find it/ make it here or maybe rethink if we can do without some of the stuff.
That varies severely by country and the company. Also, not everything made in the US is better.

Some countries are better at making certain things, so why should I ignore them due to patriotism? That’s a sign that we need to step our game up.
 
That varies severely by country and the company. Also, not everything made in the US is better.

Some countries are better at making certain things, so why should I ignore them due to patriotism? That’s a sign that we need to step our game up.
Some people prefer to choose patriotism & do without. It's a personal preference :)
 
Some people prefer to choose patriotism & do without. It's a personal preference :)
It feels really silly for me, since almost nothing is entirely made in one country. Or spending more money just to have a “made in USA” sticker for a similar quality product at a lower price, and half the components are from overseas. Then there’s the amount of effort to look for products 100% made in the US is more of a hassle than it’s worth.

There’s also the irony of a lot of products by American companies aren’t made in America, and a lot of products owned by foreign companies are made in America. Just look at cars. A lot of the Asian cars are made in the US.

Then you have US made products, and the factories are all Mexican immigrants.

So it feels really illogical to go “Murica” for all my products and none of it is really American.

I play guitar, and one company, Fender, has a running gag from fans. Because the Mexican and American factories aren’t far from each other, you have a choice between American models made by Mexicans, or Mexican models made by Mexicans. That and half the wood isn’t even farmed in the US.
 
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